Is there meaning hidden in Phi, the symbol for the Golden Number?
The use of the Greek letter Phi Phi to represent the golden number 1.618 … is generally said to acknowledge Phidias, a 5th century B.C. sculptor and mathematician of ancient Greece, who studied phi and created sculptures for the Parthenon and Olympus.
The message from scripture of all the major monotheistic religions is that God is One, Who created the universe from nothing, splitting nothingness into offsetting forces and elements. Today we understand the universe to consist of positive and negative atomic and subatomic particles and charges, matter and anti-matter, all coming from a singularity in what we term the “Big Bang.”
Curiously, the mathematical constant of 1.618 … that is found throughout creation is represented by the symbol Phi, which is the symbol 0 for nothing split in two by the symbol 1 for unity and one. Could this be the true meaning behind the symbol Phi? (Oddly enough, to type Phi on your computer, you hold the Alt key and enter 1000 on the number pad, an interesting “alt”ernate look at 1 with a trinity of 0’s!)
| O | l |  |
| Nothing | Unity / God | Nothing split by Unity is Phi, the constant of creation |
Note: This original insight by the site author was added on 3/15/2003.
Adding Unity to nothingness produces the Fibonacci series, which converges on Phi
Now ADD God to the void, or Unity to Nothing. In other words, add 0 plus 1 to get 1, and then follow this pattern to the Infinite. This is the Fibonacci series. The ratio of each number in the series to the one before it converges on Phi as you move towards infinity, ∞!
| Number in the series | O | l | l | 2 | 3 | 5 | 8 | 13 | … | ∞ |
| Ratio of each number in the series to the previous number in the series | ∞ | l | 2 | l.5 | l.66… | l.600 | l.625 | … | Φ |
The Golden Proportion is analogous to God’s relationship to creation
The Golden Section, or Phi, found throughout nature, also applies in understanding the relationship of God to Creation. In the golden section, we see that there is only one way to divide a line so that its parts are in proportion to, or in the image of, the whole:
The ratio of the larger section (B) to the whole line (A) is the same as the ratio as the smaller section (C) to the large section (B):
Only “tri-viding” the whole preserves the relationship to the whole
And so it is with our understanding of God, that we are created in His image. Not by dividing the whole, but only by tri-viding the whole does each piece retain its unique relationship to the whole. Only here do we see three that are two that are one.
The Book of John begins with these words that capture the essence of this:
In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
Jesus, in John 14:9, expressed a similar thought:
Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.
Here the human Jesus (the Son of Man) is to the divine Jesus (the Son of God) as the divine Jesus (the Son of God) is to God (the Father or whole).
Insight on the relationship of Christ to God as analogous to the golden section contributed by Steve McIntosh.
Phi as an insight to deeper spiritual connection and oneness
Phi can be calculated in an iterative process, such as those shown in the equations below:
Φ = 1 + (1/Xn), e.g.,
or
Miika Kuisma observed that the act of “part of the whole adding the whole onto itself” can be thought of as a “mathematical way of describing conscious recognition of being part of the whole.” In application, this would suggest that “when someone sees himself/herself as part of the world without personal attachment to it, and stays firmly in that perspective, then he/she will also become into a harmonic relationship with the world. One cannot help but to become in Phi relationship with the nature. This could suggest even a healing process.”
The Golden Section as a universal constant of design
The teachings of most religions express the thought that part of God is within each of us and that we are created in His image. The pervasive appearance of phi throughout life and the universe is believed by some to be the signature of God, a universal constant of design used to assure the beauty and unity of His creation.
(More thoughts on the evidence of Divine creation)
This is speculation and superstition not observation. I grew up in a Baptist church where there was a numerological answers to all kinds of ridiculous relationships. Applying religion to math or vise versa is mystification.
Poor personal experiences in church or ill-advised actions of its individual members are hardly grounds to discard the entire spiritual dimension of human existence and separate it from an open, honest discussion of life using all the tools available to us. Observation is simply an act or instance of noticing or perceiving, and speculation the contemplation or consideration of some subject. Mathematics is the foundation of everything in the universe, including life, so how can one engage in a meaningful discussion on this topic without observation and speculation of its manifestations and impacts? Einstein noted, “Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind” and “the most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science.” We’ll advance much more quickly and completely in our individual and collective understandings if we do it with open minds rather than putting disparaging labels on the things we don’t understand, don’t agree with or haven’t experienced personally.
Gary, Well said!
nice explanation W.lamwe, and we feel mystic means unknown, but that is not the case, Infact just it is not understood, so we called it as mystic. or else everything is exists, its just our finite mind unable to grasp infinite.. so every-time we observe, we learn something new…. my thinking.
God really loves order and that proves He loves Math! Look at Ezekiel 41:13-15.
God loves to use the numbers 168
Nobody can prove God exists. Period!
I would agree that no human can “prove” that God exists, or that God does not exist. The God described in scriptures and human experience though gives us a choice to come to know Him (no gender intended, btw) through faith and personal experience, and all the evidence we need to know that our choice is based on reason and evidence. Jesus says “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.” (Matthew 7:7). As a starting point, consider the scientific evidence I compiled in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcGw21Wbcgk
great stuff
Maybe God doesn’t want those that are unwilling to believe in him. Maybe that is exactly where we are… A Deceived world, with a relatively small number of “sheep” left.
Think of this as a story called “The Great Deception”, where our heroes are all told something early on in life when they don’t question, and then that lie is reinforced in every piece of information they receive. When the truth is told to them, that they are literally unable to save themselves from their own wickedness. That the only way to save themselves is to trust in an alien mystery, that goes against all they have been taught, and requires that they give up things that give them pleasure.
They will harden their heart to such truth and say things like “Can’t Prove it”. And this is the test that God has placed before man. He will not prove it until you prove you are sincere in turning away from wickedness. Once you take that step and are seeking him, he will absolutely prove his power to you. He has proven it to me over and over and over. But if I told you the stories and you have no faith, you wouldn’t believe me either.
The Ark of the covenant is 2.5 cubits by 1.5 cubits 1.666, the 5th ratio. 1 God with the remainder Man. So puzzle out how Moses came up with that number when writing the first 5 books of the Bible if you don’t believe any of it actually happened.
There are 3 reasonable explanations IMHO :
1. Coincidence, we are all just seeing whatever we want in the numbers…
2. He got it from Egyptian building methods, Which confirms the history, but removes the point of the text. Why write it at all if God doesn’t exist…
3. God gave it to Moses that way, so that you could see He is real today as you read this message. God makes one last effort to win your heart to his side.
No response required I hope you find the truth.
Of course not. Faith is the bridge.
Only via communication with one’s own soul; which requires an open mind and heart. Leading others to discover this inner truth for themselves is really the only way to ‘prove’ God exists. Even then I am not sure of the term “God” which only means ‘Higher Power’. Perhaps it is more efficient to say the Essence of All Things or the Spirit of the Universe, or the Good, or the One, or something along those lines. In the Bible ‘Lord’ is merely an English translation of Yahweh/YAO, as ‘God’ is merely an English translation of ‘Elohim’. Elohim is both masculine and feminine, singular and plural. The Light or Pure Consciousness within is the only way to ‘prove God’. I encourage any and everyone to find that Light and draw near to it and heed what it says.
And nobody can prove that he doesn’t exist. 😉
Einstein actual words, not the oversimplified version from above comment:
“It would not be difficult to come to an agreement as to what we understand by science. Science is the century-old endeavor to bring together by means of systematic thought the perceptible phenomena of this world into as thoroughgoing an association as possible. To put it boldly, it is the attempt at the posterior reconstruction of existence by the process of conceptualization. . .
. . . Accordingly, a religious person is devout in the sense that he has no doubt of the significance and loftiness of those superpersonal objects and goals which neither require nor are capable of rational foundation. They exist with the same necessity and matter-of-factness as he himself. In this sense religion is the age-old endeavor of mankind to become clearly and completely conscious of these values and goals and constantly to strengthen and extend their effect. If one conceives of religion and science according to these definitions then a conflict between them appears impossible. For science can only ascertain what is, but not what should be, and outside of its domain value judgments of all kinds remain necessary. Religion, on the other hand, deals only with evaluations of human thought and action: it cannot justifiably speak of facts and relationships between facts. According to this interpretation the well-known conflicts between religion and science in the past must all be ascribed to a misapprehension of the situation which has been described.
For example, a conflict arises when a religious community insists on the absolute truthfulness of all statements recorded in the Bible. This means an intervention on the part of religion into the sphere of science; this is where the struggle of the Church against the doctrines of Galileo and Darwin belongs. On the other hand, representatives of science have often made an attempt to arrive at fundamental judgments with respect to values and ends on the basis of scientific method, and in this way have set themselves in opposition to religion. These conflicts have all sprung from fatal errors.”
Einstein’s thoughts in the last sentence are important to note:
“On the other hand, representatives of science have often made an attempt to arrive at fundamental judgments with respect to values and ends on the basis of scientific method, and in this way have set themselves in opposition to religion. These conflicts have all sprung from fatal errors.”
One fundamental challenge in seeking answers on the origins of life is that “representatives of science” are humans, with their own biases and belief systems that impact the data they accept and the conclusions they make. So “science” is often manifested as “scientism” or atheism masquerading as science.
I agree. When humanity can find where religion and science intersect we will find great wisdom.
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Thanks for your kind words, Dionne. I truly appreciate it. As I note on my About page, inspiring others to contemplate the source of beauty and design around us is one of the reasons I did this site.
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Thank you Jesus for that well said rebuttal, (look up the word mystery in the Strong’s concordints) pulse Yahweh said (as it is written), that he makes Him self evident through all His creation so that no man has an excuse,(on the day of judgment).All we have to do is to observe the truth, trust in Him, Lean Not on our own understanding, and He shall set our paths straight. Amen🫶🙏💪✝️🏆😊
God created math. There is no barrier of God’s creation from His image. I too am a Baptist and am not deterred by math’s intimidating nature. But God holds it in his hand. I put my life on the fact that God created math partly for function and utility but also to reveal to us His image. 1 to 10 and 9 to 10 are both equally far from 10, infinity. This shows 10 as God’s standard of perfection and 1 and 9 as our works. As long as we are not 10 (and we can’t be), we are equally distant from God whether we have 9.99999999999 as our good works or 1. When we realize our works are nothing and Jesus is the only way to fill the void from 1 to 10 or 9 to 10 to be closer to God. This is my humble revelation.
Josh, this was very intelligent. Kudos.
Good works are nothing and Jesus is everything? Isn’t that a slacker stance spiritually speaking? If one does no good works, but still gets to go to heaven just by proclaiming a belief in Jesus and getting baptized, then what is God for?
Christian belief is that both faith and works are important, but that no amount of good works can suffice on its own without belief in God and a relationship of love with Him. Would your parent, spouse or child love you because of your good works alone or it is because a mutual relationship of love exists? Same concept with God. The good works should flow from the love, but don’t replace it.
Amen!
It is no accident! this is Intelligent Design at its finest.
It begins with 1:1 which is the day of creation the first day and after the 6th day God rested!
This established the Divine Proportion ratio!
It also established the order of the entire natural world. Everything in nature is based on this ratio; Even our DNA structure!
I’m Mind Blown 🤯 & Inspired by Your Explanation…
Much Appreciated..
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on the contrary, a lack of order and mathematics is what mystification really is. The pentecostals base their entire belief structure in the fact that God intervenes in a way that is not consistent with Nature. i.e. healing, etc. I would think as a Baptist, you would embrace the mathematics as the Baptist religion is based on a rigid set of rules for salvation, life, and who God is.
Pentecostals do not base their entire religion on that. We base it on the whole Bible. Not just lack of order. Act 2;38.
Frankly I was looking into this for use in fantasy world building. Simply because it’s interesting is validation enough for its existence.
Not speculation. Only not revealed to you as of yet. In his timing you will know and understand. He has a particular order for individuals to know and understand as they seek to know him and put their faith and trust in him alone. The revelation of himself is individual As he makes up the whole and feels the void and darkness. As mentioned in Genesis 1.
It has been said that spirituality is like a stream of water flowing down a mountain side, bending this way and that way, bringing refreshment and life to all that it touches. And religion, however, is like plumbing, bringing water to places it was never meant to be.
In all things we describe we merely only describe ourselves.
What if we are describing God’s creation? God is indescribable, or has chosen to be a hidden enigma for man, so we can only describe his creation. In describing his creation we can better understand the creator. I challenge what you are saying in this way.
In all things we describe, we are describing God’s creation, of which we are a part.
vs.
In all things we describe we describe ourselves.
It is the deception to believe we are all things. That is the lie that has fallen over the world, to present a choice for all men. If you believe you can save yourself, then good luck. If you believe you can’t, then know that God has left a way.
In fact, when Jesus was pierced by the spear on the cross, it says both blood and water flowed. Symbolic of a flesh covenant and a spiritual one. Jesus brought living water to all of mankind, and a living sacrifice to all of mankind. The living sacrifice means that he is always interceding for you on the mercy seat. His living blood stands between Gods and his commandments to cover your sin. If you drink of his water, you will be renewed spiritually, and forgiven in the flesh.
How so? When YHWH Uses Numbers To Create,Organize and CalcuIate All of HIS Creations In The Beginning of The Book of Genesis,Then HE Constantly Uses The Number System With Signs and Miracles Throughout The Entire Bible? HE Created 7 Days,Perform Miracles After 40 Days and Nights,The 400 Year Captivity of Judah,The 3 Day Ressurection Theory and The 144,000 Remnant To Be Delivered Among Billions,Etc.So Clearly HE IS The Supreme Master Mathematician WHO Also Created Numbers Too,In Alignment With HIS Supreme Masterplan.*
YHWH is NOT the Creator in Genesis 1-2 verse 3. Elohim is the perfect, plural (female/male) eternal creator – “And they said “Let Us make humankind in our own image and likeness and they made them both male and female” – Translation from The Aramaic/Ancient Hebrew (the languages Jesus spoke) not King James. YHWH is a suppressive, lesser war god who is also plural and creates an inferior mak and woman and imprisons them in a garden, sets them up to fail and kicks them out to poison Elohim’s perfect planet and people. YHWH even feared their own creation – ” WE must throw the man and the woman out of the garden lest they eat of the tree of eternal life and become like one us. You MUST be careful with scripture, some of it has been tampered with and some has a lesser evil god misleading mankind away from our true eternal Source – Elohim. This why Jesus said “Be with the scriptures as the sharp eyed money changers are with coins” meaning soemthings are “counterfeit”
I am also Phi-llip – if you have Phi in your name you are truly blessed 🙂
DNA Is and Was Created By YHWH Using A Series of Numbers Too
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sure it did, created something/everything. but when? how? why?
so many assertions on this comments, not a single proof or evidence in sight.
all to be taken on faith, I suppose.
As the author of this post, I’ll add that the thoughts expressed here were intended not as statements of fact but rather observations/musings on possible connections on the topic of theology in relation to the site’s overall topic of the golden ratio.
I’m living proof that this is not superstitious and I am born on 3/14 and possess amazing gifts and now answers coming to light just saimying I live my life completely like this
I disagree, I believe these numbers are to be considered beyond typical evidence because the relationships are too numerous and too closely related. To be serendipitous would defy the order of things, in my view. I would submit that the odds of this being the case are far lower than the odds God made all things.
I found the article interesting as I seem to have stumbled over Phi, the golden ratio and has been marveled at its presence in life and the universe. I wish to know how it came about and how it may be derived and used Mathematically besides the fact that Geometrical applications. Thanks.
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@Josh
wow i love the way you put that, im gonna take note of that, i never really thought about it that way but it makes perfect sense!
also to the person who wrote this article, i love it. this is really amazing, i learned about phi a while back but never really looked into it, but now i think i will. God is amazing! i dont know why a lot of people who are religious try to stay away from science as if the two were opposites. actually the more i learn about creation, the more amazed i am by God. great article i enjoyed it, im definitely checking out the rest of the site.
i agree with you! read Ezekiel 41:13-15 in the Good News Translation.
What’s the golden mean of the earth? I mean what city does the result point to?
Mecca, Saudi Arabia.
See the post at https://www.goldennumber.net/golden-ratio-of-earth/.
So the golden ratio falls where both the Israeli and Muslim believer say is the holy place of worship.
The bit about trividing should be put in the Bible page. Please include other religions as well, not just Christianity, non Christians may feel left out (no offense meant). Try The Qoran and Hindu mythology, the Phi in them is fascinating.
Gayatri – It is curious to me that some Christians, not all, are very adamant that we must accept Jesus as our Lord. However, by all his words and actions Jesus never expressed such a desire. He only acted and preached that we should all be Servants — to one another. And what line of work is more noble — to be Lord of the Manor, or to be the Servant ?
That representation of what Jesus said is not complete or accurate. Consider John 11:25-26, in which Jesus says, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?” In Matthew 16:15-17, Jesus says, “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. In John 20:27-29 Jesus says to Thomas, “Stop doubting and believe. Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” We can choose to believe or not believe. What we cannot do is reduce the statements of Jesus to nothing more than simple guides for how we should treat one another.
Or more directly put by Jesus, and in direct opposition to the premise expressed by Richard John 14:6 states “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me.”
When we take into account the quintessential reason for the bible, and the teachings of Jesus, that being, the achievement of individual Christ consciousness, or to put it plainly, to be like Him, and one actually attains this status, or at least the pure aspiration of it, then it is easy to interpret what Jesus meant when He spoke. He was always referring to the “I’ in the “I am”. This “I” is our individual consciousness. And it is only through this medium can we truly know God, the “Father”, which is just another name for unconditional cause from which all matter in creation sprang.
Jesus is the blessed and only Potentate:
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. John 14:1
Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? John 14:5
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. John 14:18
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. John 16:7
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Isaiah 45:21
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. Isaiah 45:22
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. Isaiah 45:23
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; Philippians 2:10
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 13:8
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Malachi 3:6
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7
Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God? Job 13:8
Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him? Job 13:9
He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons. Job 13:10
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:7
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. John 14:8
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14:9
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. John 8:25
I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. John 8:26
They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. John 8:27
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: Deuteronomy 6:4
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 1 John 2:23
That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 1 Timothy 6:14
Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 1 Timothy 6:15
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. 1 Timothy 6:16
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:28
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. John 20:29
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mark 9:44
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mark 9:46
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mark 9:48
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9
A young beloved friend recently died. Matt was only 23. He was sick a few months ago with somekind of sepsis poisoning – in icu for 3 weeks. He got better and came to stay with us on the beach as much as he could. Then he suddenly died – his parents found him lifeless about a month ago the same morning he was about to head back to our beach house. When he was here he shared that he did die in ice and saw it. We talked about the golden ratio and he said we were right on. It is not what we think it is – the next place and the golden ratio is key. just sharing.
“Science without religion is mere superstition.
Religion without science is pure materialism.”
Arturo Castillo – Not too far from one of Einstein’s quotes: “Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.”
Ergo, Superstition is lame and Materialism is pure blindness.
words to live by
haha! Great way of putting it
To Josh and others…i.e. God Created Math! How do you know? One’s belief is not factual proof of God’s existence, nor do the numbers of any mathematical system prove that some Super Deity is out there watching human kind is every move. Einstein was no authority either on spirituality, in spite of his incredible creative mind. Using his name to prove a biased opinion is a classic fallacy in logic! Every Christian, is waiting for Jesus to return and cure the ills of the world…it is not his responsibility; it’s YOURS, mine and everyone else on this planet, and not some imagined deity. So wake up! Take your head out of the clouds and do something for the benefit of others, instead of preaching…walk the talk!
Good points. Belief is not a factual proof, but then neither is disbelief. Describing God as “some imagined deity” is also a personal belief system, unsupported by proof and possibly completely wrong.
Belief Is The Enemy Of Knowing
Belief is never enough to hang anything on. There is only ‘Knowing’ and ‘Not Knowing’.
When you KNOW there is NO DOUBT!
When you BELIEVE you DO NOT KNOW!
Phi is a perfect relationship, as, 1.618033989 is to
1, as, 1 is to .618033989, but,
the COSMOS (NOT Universe) is based on the
square root of Phi, and the square root of 2, as
well. One would do well to study(NOT just read)
Divine mathematics as well as the Bible(s), as,
the design of the COSMOS is by GOD, and,
of perfect, irrational numbers.
And, by the way, stop the petty infantile bickering. Neither of us created the COSMOS or anything in it, so lose the self-righteous attitudes,
please. Thank you.
thankyou very much for all of this information:)
I’m a big phan and a recently retired polyhistoric high school educator. I also recently celebrated my 21, 618th rotation by announcing that after years of dogged attempts to disprove Pacioli’s Postulate [‘like God, the Divine Proportion is always similar to itself’]. I discovered instead such things as: Matthew 16:18 is not only the crucial passage establishing the authority of the Catholic Church, ‘The Keys to the Kingdom’, but that it comes precisely at the Phi point in the Bible. The most conclusive evidence of proportional divinity however, was the revelation that the 618th day of the 21st Century was 9/11/01. My websites are also devoted to Phi, but entail mainly graphic organizers of one form or another.
Peter, I have to rebuke your post in this manner: Even if we are to accept your statement that Matthew 16:18 comes at the “phi point in the Bible” (which is extremely unlikely), you are merely claiming that Matthew 16:18 establishes the authority of the Catholic Church. Most Protestants and Baptist utterly reject such as claim as being baseless and without merit. We do not accept the “authority” of the “Catholic Church”, period. We do not accept the authority of this pope or any other pope, period.
Martin Luther and all of the Reformers were right in their evaluation of the popes of their day, and it stands today. Phi has absolutely no standing in establishing any claim of Catholicism, and neither does the Bible. The claims of the popes are based upon themselves, not upon Scripture. It is called “dogma” for that reason.
Of all the deep conversations on the golden number, this may be one of the most pivotal. Connecting phi with scripture (even if it is “only” from a Judeo-Christian document) may be one of the most significant steps in mankind’s journey to identify his true origins and purpose by joining science and natural numerical phenomenon. Peter Hedding nailed this… but the phenomenon he referenced goes much, much further. It is no exaggeration to say that this is a topic I’ve spent many years on. Deciphering Matthew 16:18 and adequately connecting it to phi requires familiarity with previous OT/Hebrew language uses of numerical (and other) forms of symbolism, allegory and parable. Individual (protestant) distaste for the obvious historical and scriptural origins of the flesh-bread, blood-wine core doctrine of Christianity and thus of the church is not logical on multiple levels. You simply can not use the Bible as the foundation of your faith and then throw out the verses that contradict your personal interpretations. As for non-Christian, even non-theological reactions to these “alignments”, there are enough purely numerical overlaps that (I would think) even the most hardened agnostics would admit that there is far more than coincidence at work here. Science and religion are but two (human) points of view– not separated by fact or a lack of evidence, but by semantics and ego. The golden section may very well be the uniting principle that brings those two “camps” together so that man can realize how small he and his child-like opinions often are. For my money- the more I know the smaller I feel– this is not so much a theory, but a discovery that I expect will open additional lines of inquiry.The website listed with my name is the first in a six (soon to be seven) part series uniting phi 1.618 with Matthew 16:18. At the end of each video, youtube should automatically provide you with a link to the next video, but I will list links to all six below. Don’t be put off by the name if you’re not Catholic; the title works with the secular definition “universal” as well as with the more common name of the religion. Be cautioned though, the implication are vast- and this investigation will undoubtedly take you down some unexpected paths. I look forward to your constructive criticism, but please watch all six, and sleep on it a day before you comment back. Thank you!
Part 1
https://youtu.be/-6qa48H4VWc
Part 2
https://youtu.be/BtIPD31sOxo
Part 3
https://youtu.be/HDPaKazovsY
Part 4
https://youtu.be/xaDDeZ_YYkc
Part 5
https://youtu.be/AQPNzGNfspc
Part 6
https://youtu.be/cP1doIVXZhs
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A logical response: Mankind creates “artificial intelligence” and “virtual realities.” Would you also argue that these appeared without thought, design and an act of creation? If not, what basis is there in logic to conclude that thought, design and an act of creation were not also the basis of our own intelligence and realities? It seems analogous to the computers we create boldly stating in the blindness of their limitations that computers created man, or that man does not exist.
A spiritual response: Man created God? Then who or what is the source of that voice within our own thoughts known by anyone of true faith, the voice that whispers things beyond our own understanding and wisdom, and beyond what can be attributed to chance or coincidence?
To the fellow that referenced Matthew 16:18. One must be cautious when making factual claims of parliament status after reading just one verse. It is very easy to come to a completely different and most often incorrect conclusion resulting in taking said verse out of context. I would recommend reading and studying GOD’s word in its entirety as our Father’s Truth was meant to be. Several times throughout the Old and New testament Our Lord is referenced as the Rock. Christ is the foundation (Strength) of the Church. The “church” meaning Our Lords People (Servants). Meaning GOD’s children. Christ was not talking about a building or institution. He was talking about GOD and his truth will be known to his children through a relationship with our Savior (Christ Jesus). when one establishes a relationship with Christ not by any works of his own but by repentaNce and through faith in the perfect and complete work of our Lord Christ on the cross. through that established relationship you are a new creation by Grace alone. Through receiving Grace Christ becomes your foundation aka your rock. Logically speaking it wouldn’t make any sense at all for a perfect Holy God to give such responsibility to a very very imperfect sin filled life of a man named Peter.Is that truly The Rock aka foundation that you’re Catholic Church is built on. Only Christ lived perfectly without sin which is why he is the example aka the Rock and his Children are his Church. I am praying that you and otherswho pick and choose singular Verses. To then translate them to support your beliefs. I pray that you will read scripture in its entirety and come to know Christ for his true glory.in doing so giving all praise and glory to our loving father and God.Thx for listening.
Hebrew number of letters divided by number of words in the old testament (genesis 1) account of creation = pi
Greek number of letters divided by number of words in the new testament (1 john) account of creation = phi
LETTERS = WORDS = STORIES (notice the relationship , separate yet part of the whole)
John 1 Describes in letters and words the RELATIONSHIP between the Father and the Son.
The underlying mathematical structure of the words and letters describe that relationship
The only mathematical description of such a relationship is Phi
Summary. The expression of Phi in creation finds its genesis in the Relationship between the Father and the Son
ROMANS 1 v 20 .For the invisible things of Him (relationship), from the creation of the world (Genisis) are clearly seen,being understood by the things that are made (In this world),even (= mathematical symbol for this word,equal to ,the same as,balanced,)His eternal (Pi and Phi are irrational fractions,never ending) power and God Head.
Hey guys my name’s Nigel Pinto. I am a roman catholic and a seminarian studying for the priesthood. I also happen to be currently doing my engineering studies after completing my philosophical studies.. I really enjoyed the above discussion and especially the varies replies and comments. Its amazing to know that each of us looks at the very same concept from different perspectives. this directly throws light on the UNIQUENESS of each of us. In my philosophy years i developed a great taste for cosmology and that remains to date may favourite discipline. our math teacher mentioned to us the golden ration as a suitable mini project in maths and so I happened to read about it.. i strongly believe that science and religion are not at war but are two disciplines that essentially point to the existence of an Infinite Being. some could call this God or some could just go with Infinite Being. My opinion is that all of us need to be OPEN to various interpretations or different understandings of the same concept instead of simply branding an understanding(that is unacceptable to us ) as false. it is only when we look at concepts and life at large from different perspectives that our life becomes more meaningful and concepts more comprehensive. let us refrain from being like the horse wearing blinders that looks at reality from only one perspective.. and let us continue to keep the flame of CURIOSITY and the LOVE of WISDOM burning. a great philosopher once said. “Whatever God took trouble to create is worth taking trouble to know.!!!” Let our thirst for Knowledge never die
Hello Nigel- without typing out a 500 word introduction, my work is right up your alley. If you didn’t notice the links previously posted in this conversation, I’ve found a number of profound connections between the (Biblical) foundation of the church in Matthew 16:18 and the phi proportion 1.618. Even if you are no longer looking for a side project I would very much like to get your opinion and those of any of you peers- I believe this is truly groundbreaking stuff and am rather surprised that no one here has latched on to it for the unprecedented link between science and theology that I believe it is. The link below is for part one. Please be patient as there is a lot of information to digest. Part one and two cover material that is likely only review for a man such as yourself, so you may want to skip ahead to part three for the “punch line.” Thanks!
Thanks for the article, Gary. Surprised there’s been no interaction for a few months.
I too see things mathematically as a potentially deepening awareness of God and our relationship with him in Christ. I’m an electrician by trade (over 40 years) and see a lot of connections with electrical and electronic “lessons” into spirituality.
But the clearest mathematical revelation I’ve ever had came in a dream I had some 10-12 years back. In it, I saw a whiteboard with the number 1,000,000 in bold black numerals. As I watched, the final 0 dropped off.. I understood that the number had just lost 90% of its value. Then I heard a voice saying, “Be a significant 0. Hold your place for the One!”
For a number of years, I thought of it from that negative viewpoint, but in the last year or two, it came to me that if you flip the idea on its head, adding a 0 adds 90% more value! So in that sense, I want to be a significant nothing.
This, by the way, is the source for my personal email address.
Thanks again for sharing.
“The ratio of the larger section (B) to the whole line (A) is the same as the ratio as the smaller section (C) to the large section (B):”
Phi is not a 3 terms A, B and C proportion, but only 2 terms A and B (the unique proportion of 2 terms):
A : B : : B : ( A + B ) — “A is to B as B is to A + B” —
The whole line is A + B, the larger section is A and the smaller section is B. Otherwise are not met “3 that are 2 being 1”.
Perhaps this is semantics, but there are three dimensions involved: That of the whole line, the larger segment and the smaller segment. Its true that the larger plus the smaller equal the whole. The magic of the proportion though is that the ratio of the whole line to the larger segment is the same as the ratio of the larger segment to the smaller segment. You’ve simply substituted the relationship A+B for a separate segment that can have its own designation.
Nice article! I just went through Mr/Ms D’s comments who “grew up” in a Baptist church, and I would say that:
1. God is 1. Simple. Whatever the name you give, you are pointing to the same entity. (A bundle of endless knowledge and love combined).
2. The meaning given to Religion today (or now-a-days) is non sense created to exploit people, raise funds, create riots in the name of God. This is my personal belief. No religion is bad, it is there to guide people/humans for a better living with love and in peace. The leaders of the religions are bad-ass who guide their followers in wrong ways.
3. There is geometry and pattern everywhere in the universe. Numbers, Math, Geometry is not non-sense, we don’t understand it fully, that’s all. Today’s educational institutions are mere a labour creating units rather than knowledge parting institutions. Most of the students join a great college, so that, they get employed by bigger companies at higher positions for better pay. If you learnt derivatives and integrations in school/college, how many of you know where to use it, why to use and when to use it? (Not related to the topic, sorry)
If you are able to love everyone (including animals) like yourself, there won’t be any better and happier person than you.
After doing a fair amount of research in archaeology of ancient civilizations, comparative mythology, and “forbidden” archaeology, I believe there were beings from another planet that genetically tweaked already evolving hominids to look similar to to them, aka, in their image. These beings built all the ancient pyramids on the planet and jump started the first human civilization in ancient Egypt, aka, Khemet, 10,000 or more years ago. They helped that civilization become a global empire before its demise ir destruction. After Egypt, these beings, who may have also comprised of several different species besides humanoids (reptilian and amphibian) that created separate civilizations in India, China, and South/Central America (thus, the explanation behind the African-looking “Olmec” Heads). These beings have come and gone over millennia. They fought among themselves, sustaining a family fued, brother vs. brother to this day. The European Freemasons of the 17th and 18th century devised to whitewash Egyptian history, changing its human origins from African to Indo-European as well as cover up and obfuscate evidence of that long ago global African Empire. The beings that genetically tweaked humans using their own humanoid DNA refer to the God of All in the Sumerian mythology. The Freemasons who created the United States are connected in their beliefs to the beings that created the civilization of Sumer, as indicated by the Sumerian symbology used by U.S. government. In short, the otherworldly humanoid beings that made us were, in turn, made by the “I AM” that created the Universe with such seemingly intelligent design. But the humans currently “running” the world do not want humanity to learn of its true origins, nor understand how life and reality are constructed. This is for the purpise of control, so these Freemason/Secret Society people can continue the “Great Work” involving their belief and possible veneration of these humanoid beings. Would love to know if you have any opinion on this. Thanks!
I used to accept this as a possible story for human evolution until I started looking for clues in our DNA history. Basically DNA evidence points to a gradual evolution in our DNA over millions of years.
“The problem with these theories is that they depend on evolution being a sort of one-step game, where one change produces a great leap forward, one from which other changes cascade. But the record does not support this. We split from our last common ancestor with the chimpanzees 5-6m years ago. But when we look at human ancestors between then and now, we do not find a single moment of dramatic change. Instead, it was cumulative – some 4m years ago we started walking upright on two legs, and about a million years later we started using stone tools. The size of our brains only started enlarging about 2m years ago.”
http://theconversation.com/no-giant-leap-for-mankind-why-weve-been-looking-at-human-evolution-in-the-wrong-way-60935
We live in the Firmament. Matter cannot leave or enter this world. The Space Industry is a HUGE LIE and is used by the evil Masons, who are behind most of the evil acts of this world, to take the God out of us and make us feel insignificant and worthless. Aliens don’t exist! Sitchin was a 33rd Degree Mason and part of the DECEIT and SPELLBINDING that is used to keep Mankind in the dark. Sorry to tell you but you have been wasting your time in your research – I know as I went down the very same road for most of my life only to find I was being HOODWINKED.
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(Oddly enough, to type Phi on your computer, you hold the Alt key and enter 1000 on the number pad, an interesting “alt”ernate look at 1 with a trinity of 0’s!)
What kind of computer or program do you have? My computer does not type Phi with ALT+1000. Are you trying to say there is something godly about computers?
Does anyone have a computer that does something special when typing ALT+1000?
The alt-1000 (using the numeric pad) to get Φ works on the PC, and possibly on the Mac as well. To try it out, open Notepad on the PC, set the font to Arial and then hold the Alt key while typing 1000 on the numeric pad.
There was no intended meaning of computers being godly. It was just a fun fact. But when you consider the intelligence that goes into coding for a computer, think of what must be required to create the genetic coding for a living organism.
The “O” is the stone and the “I”is the tool that shapes the statue when being hit by the stone,shaped by man. She who is God. Over!
God is neither he nor she. It is all that is, all that is not. All is inside God! Infinite potential for creation,
Please review your belief systems by calling the is-ness beyond duality by its names, not human shortened perception in he or she…
Great article on pi, phi fibonacci tho, thanks.
I appreciate your sensitivity to this issue. The reference to God as He is certainly meant with no disrespect, or no belief or representation that God has gender or is more masculine than feminine. Even Jesus referred to God as Father, and the use of “he” as a gender neutral pronoun rather than “it” is a long standing tradition in the English language, but one that is now evolving new uses. Thanks for keeping us current and mindful of the changing usages.
Only because English doesn’t have proper pronouns that refer to gender neutral singular person. Hebrew does. The translators were simply trying to create florw and symmetry.
As it is written in Bible. Romans 1:20, “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,” This is one of verses I like most. I think that any reasonable and wise man can see the power of God through seeing and observing the phenomenon or design of nature. The reason a reasonable person can NOT see the truth is being blinded or brainwashed by false religious belief in “so-called Science or Evolution Theory”. As we can perceive the wind even though we can not actually see it. The truth can be perceived. Immoral men used to snub the truth for it is piercing his mind.
I hope my deductions could be helpful:
Φ God/ Tao
10 Taichi / Binary
1Φ0 Trinity / Quantum Mechanics
101φ0 Star / Golden ratio
1φ0101φ0 Infinity / Luck
101φ01φ0101φ0 Jesus Christ
1φ0101φ0101φ01φ0101φ0 Weight of soul
This deduction was done since 2012 against my will. The story longs, I hope it helps.
And nobody can disprove God exists either, but there are many many hints in the cosmos and in the Bible that show mathematical patterns. If you don’t believe and die without repenting, you are doomed.
Gary Meisner,
“No gender intended”??
How can you go on to quote scripture after you made Adonai non-binary? Scripture consistently identifies family lines through fathers and sons from Adam to Jesus. Jesus is male and The Son, with Adonai as The Father. Gender Truth is paramount in knowing Him.
I understand your point, and agree with the references you cite. Jesus himself prayed to “the Father,” and taught us to pray in the same way. My reference was in context to another post, and comments in general, that do not recognize that God transcends the human concepts of gender. If you do a Google search such as https://www.google.com/search?q=gender+of+god+in+bible you’ll find it generally recognized that there are many references in the Bible that convey characteristics of God that are not strictly male as we think of them. When traditions of patriarchy do not recognize the value of women, also created in the image of God, then we need to be sure that we truly understand the God is more than human concepts of male or female. Knowing that God’s nature transcends human understandings and labels is also paramount in knowing Him.
Good evening,
Interesting article on the phi number, am agree the universe & nature is signature of our Unique Lord Creator, all scientists agreed our universe fine tuned and following the mathematics language.
But the History of the Christian Church tell us the Trinity & Resurrection was copied by the Roman Emperor Constantine I year 325 from others pagan religion like the Egyptian old pagan religion [OSIRIS, Horus and ISIS]
Our Lord Unique Creator Allah the most Merciful
Eternal with no son and partner.
Thank you!
Christian belief and theology was well established in the first century AD with the life, death and resurrection of Jesus, long before Constantine came into the picture.
Although the term Trinity wasn’t used initially, the concepts of God, Christ and the Holy Spirit, that abides within the soul of the believer, are the expressions of God and in the experience of mankind.